“Look past people’s faults and find their needs.” “I knew I couldn’t teach a kid until that kid knew I cared about them or until I made a connection with them.” “The grind is worth it.”   Episode summary | In this episode of the Return on Generosity podcast, host Jabari Whitehead engages in a heartfelt conversation with guests Tay Person and Mike Wernert about the themes of fatherhood, personal growth, and the importance of generosity. The discussion explores how their experiences as fathers shape their values, the lessons learned from their own fathers, and the sacrifices they make for their families. They reflect on the challenges of parenting, the need for self-improvement, and the ways they find balance in their lives. The conversation emphasizes the significance of being role models for their children and the impact of generosity in their relationships. R.O.G. Takeaway Tips | Personal growth is a continuous journey for fathers. Fatherhood involves giving love and discipline. Unlearning old parenting patterns is essential. The first moments of parenthood are transformative. Sacrifices are a part of being a father. Finding time for self-care is crucial for parents. Leadership skills are enhanced through fatherhood. Generosity is reflected in how children treat others. Children observe and learn from their parents' actions. Being a good father requires selflessness and high standards.   Chapters |  00:00 Introduction to Generosity and Personal Growth 03:03 Fatherhood Models and Core Values 03:52 Lessons from Fatherhood: Unlearning and Learning 06:03 Navigating Parenthood: Challenges and Sacrifices 08:13 Refilling the Cup: Self-Care for Fathers 21:16 Reflections on Parenting and Leadership 23:36 Growth in Patience and Understanding 26:51 Authenticity in Leadership 29:22 The Importance of Connection 32:24 Generosity Reflected in Children 39:34 Better Us, Better Them   Guest Bio | Mike Wernert: Michael J. Wernert is a respected pharmaceutical leader and U.S. Army veteran known for his authentic, fatherly approach to leadership, with a career spanning 20 years at AstraZeneca and Eli Lilly. Michael’s experience as a teacher, coach, and military officer has shaped his belief that leadership is about investing in people and celebrating their successes. Armed with an MBA from the University of Delaware, a Master’s in Education from West Chester University, and a distinguished military background, he combines strategic expertise with genuine care and support for those around him.   Tay Person: With over 20 years of experience in K-12 education, Tay has spent his professional career dedicated to improving outcomes in public education. As a teacher, board member, consultant, and leader, Tay has taken a consultative approach to drive results and build lasting partnerships that ultimately benefit children. When he’s not working he’s spending time with his four daughters and wife of twenty-two years.   Guest Resources:  The Power of Vulnerability - Brene Brown: https://www.ted.com/talks/brene_brown_the_power_of_vulnerability?language=en   Bridge Between Resources: 5 Degree Change Course Free N.D.I. Network Diversity Index