Dr. David Spiegel is Willson Professor and Associate Chair of Psychiatry & Behavioral Sciences, Director of the Center on Stress and Health, and Medical Director of the Center for Integrative Medicine at Stanford University School of Medicine, where he has been a member of the academic faculty since 1975. He is the founder of Reveri, the world's first interactive self-hypnosis app.Timestamps for this episode are available below. Links to everything discussed: https://tim.blog/2024/04/10/dr-david-spiegel-hypnosis/Sponsors:Momentous high-quality supplements: https://livemomentous.com/tim (code TIM for 20% off)Helix Sleep premium mattresses: https://helixsleep.com/tim (20% off all mattress orders and two free pillows)AG1 all-in-one nutritional supplement: https://drinkag1.com/tim (1-year supply of Vitamin D (and 5 free AG1 travel packs) with your first subscription purchase.)Timestamps:[07:00] How Herbert Spiegel was exposed to hypnosis.[10:14] Using hypnosis to cure non-epileptic seizures.[11:53] What is a forensic psychiatrist?[14:43] How hypnosis works.[17:54] Hypnosis and the flow state.[21:03] How hypnosis differs from meditation.[22:38] Determining one’s susceptibility to hypnosis.[27:21] I take the eye-roll test.[29:33] Thoughts on EMDR.[36:29] Therapeutic psychedelics and ego dissolution.[41:05] Potential adverse effects of hypnosis?[42:34] Accelerated TMS improves response to hypnosis.[44:25] Hypnosis as a tool for stress and pain relief.[48:56] David treats my back pain with hypnosis.[57:09] Replicating this effect with self-hypnosis.[57:57] Understanding the science of pain relief.[1:03:18] Filtering the hurt from the pain.[1:06:37] For us, not against us.[1:09:12] Hypnosis vs. other addiction interventions.[1:11:41] A mesmerizing tale of hypnotic history.[1:16:10] Most surprising patient outcomes.[1:24:53] Finding connection to treat the agitated.[1:28:40] Who is Reveri designed for?[1:31:15] Hypnosis as a first rather than last resort.[1:35:02] Further resources and final thoughts.*For show notes and past guests on The Tim Ferriss Show, please visit tim.blog/podcast.For deals from sponsors of The Tim Ferriss Show, please visit