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What does it really mean to live a good life—in our politics, our faith, our work, and our relationships? On No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp, we explore the ideas, practices, and public debates that shape human flourishing today. Each week you’ll hear thought-provoking conversations with bestselling authors, philosophers, neuroscientists, psychologists, theologians, artists, and political leaders—people wrestling with the biggest questions of meaning and purpose in our time. Together we ask: How can religion be a force for healing instead of division? What does neuroscience reveal about happiness, habits, and productivity? Where do politics and justice meet the pursuit of the common good? How do truth, beauty, and goodness help us live well—personally and collectively? If you care about faith, politics, social justice, science, or the search for meaning, you’ll find courageous, practical conversations here. Because pursuing a meaningful life is no small endeavor—and we’re with you on the road. Learn more at nosmallendeavor.com.

  • 239: Unabridged Interview: Jeff Chu
    Change can come in the most unlikely places. For Jeff Chu, it was in a pile of compost.
  • The Subtext: Your Favorite Musician Isn't Real
    AI is reshaping the music industry at a breakneck pace.
  • 239: Jeff Chu: Finding Meaning, Courage, and Beauty in the Dirt
    Change can come in the most unlikely places. For Jeff Chu, it was in a pile of compost.
  • 238: Unabridged Interview: Hillary McBride
    How do we make sense of spiritual trauma — especially when our bodies still respond to what we were taught to trust, even after it caused us harm?
  • The Subtext: Wicked: For Good
    What if the real magic of Wicked isn’t the spells, but the way friendship, shame, and belonging shape who we become?
  • 238: Hillary McBride: Healing the Hidden Wounds of Spiritual Trauma
    How do we make sense of spiritual trauma — especially when our bodies still respond to what we were taught to trust, even after it caused us harm?
  • 237: Unabridged Interview: Tara Brach
    “It just seemed like such a tragedy that we can go through decades and on some level feel like we’re not okay,” says psychologist, author, and teacher Tara Brach. She describes the reality for many of us faced with stress, anxiety, fear, and pain. What if there was a way to deal with such things, not merely to push them away, but to make peace with them? In this episode, Tara offers mindfulness meditation as a way towards healing and wholeness.
  • 237: Three Practices to Give You Hope
    When the headlines numb and the culture wars grind us down, what if hope isn’t a mood at all—but a practice you can do with your body, your friends, and your city? In this holiday special, Lee revisits four conversations to find practices of hope with Tara Brach, Tom Paxton, Ayana Elizabeth Johnson, and Sharon McMahon.
  • 236: Unabridged Interview: Lara Love Hardin
    What if the opposite of addiction isn’t sobriety—but connection? How does a woman go from 32 felony charges to the New York Times bestseller list, lunches with Oprah, and a life devoted to healing?
  • The Subtext: The Gospel According to Billie Eilish
    Let’s talk about some viral posts Savannah’s algorithm served up this week, ranging from moralism to billionaires to NASA conspiracy theories.
  • 236: Lara Love Hardin: The Power of Community and Second Chances
    What if the opposite of addiction isn’t sobriety—but connection? How does a woman go from 32 felony charges to the New York Times bestseller list, lunches with Oprah, and a life devoted to healing?
  • 235: Unabridged Interview: Rick Steves
    Lee and Rick discuss travel the moment at which Rick Steves' life changed on a boyhood trip with his family to Europe; beginning to see travel as spiritual practice and political act; and how travel fosters global kinship.
  • The Subtext: Nobody Wants This
    What can a Netflix rom-com about a rabbi and an agonistic podcaster teach us about love, faith, and compromise?
  • 235: Rick Steves: Travel as Spiritual Practice, Political Act, and Global Kinship
    Lee and Rick discuss travel the moment at which Rick Steves' life changed on a boyhood trip with his family to Europe; beginning to see travel as spiritual practice and political act; and how travel fosters global kinship.
  • 234: Unabridged Interview: Pádraig Ó Tuama
    “Legitimate target has 16 letters—and one long abominable space between two dehumanizing words.” In this episode, poet and peacebuilder Pádraig Ó Tuama offers a sobering yet luminous reflection on language, theology, and the long road of reconciliation. From exorcisms and conversion therapy to moments of silence, soup, and starlight, his stories remind us that even in a burning world, there is still room for awe, for courage, and for a better kind of human flourishing.
  • The Subtext: All is Fair in Love And (Culture) War
    What does it mean when the Super Bowl Halftime Show has become a front line in the latest culture wars?
  • 234: Pádraig Ó Tuama: Poetry, and Making Peace, Bearing Witness and Being Human - Poetry Against the Dark
    “Legitimate target has 16 letters—and one long abominable space between two dehumanizing words.” In this episode, poet and peacebuilder Pádraig Ó Tuama offers a sobering yet luminous reflection on language, theology, and the long road of reconciliation. From exorcisms and conversion therapy to moments of silence, soup, and starlight, his stories remind us that even in a burning world, there is still room for awe, for courage, and for a better kind of human flourishing.
  • 233: Unabridged Interview: Haleh Liza Gafori
    When the world burns, Rumi’s poetry doesn’t retreat—it opens its arms. “If you've made a habit of drinking vinegar,” he says, “don't blame the vine. …Ditch the vinegar, and ditch the vendor who doesn't deal in life's nectar.”
  • The Subtext: Liver King: Masculinity in Crisis
    In honor of spooky season, Savannah and Lee explore how our fear of death might be hiding in plain sight with the modern masculinity crisis.
  • 233: Haleh Liza Gafori: The Poetry of Rumi, Theology, and Social Critique - Poetry Against the Dark
    When the world burns, Rumi’s poetry doesn’t retreat—it opens its arms. “If you've made a habit of drinking vinegar,” he says, “don't blame the vine. …Ditch the vinegar, and ditch the vendor who doesn't deal in life's nectar.”