John Blackburn AO retired from the Royal Australian Air Force in 2008 as the deputy chief of the Air Force, following a distinguished career as an F 18 fighter pilot, a test pilot and strategic planner. Now the Chair of the Institute for Integrated Economic Research Australia and a respected consultant in the field of defence and national security, John joins Richard for a robust discussion about the threats facing Australia's national resilience. LINKS October 2021 report: Australia - A Complacent Nation 2021 National Resilience Project overview report Watch John's full March 2025 presentation on National Resilience Follow Richard Richard De Crespigny on Instagram and Linkedin Buy Richard's book 'Fly! The Elements Of Resilience' Follow Nova Podcasts on Instagram for videos from the podcast and behind the scenes content – @novapodcastsofficial. CREDITSHost: Richard De CrespignyEditor: Adrian WaltonExecutive Producer: Damien Haffenden Managing Producer: Ricardo Bardon Nova Entertainment acknowledges the traditional custodians of the land on which we recorded this podcast, the Gadigal People of the Eora Nation. We pay our respect to Elders past and present.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.