In this episode of Environment Variables, host Anne Currie speaks to Wilco Burggraaf, a lead green practitioner and architect at HighTech Innovators, for an engaging discussion on integrating sustainability into software development. Wilco shares his journey into green software, the inspiration behind his innovative workshops, and his efforts to build a vibrant green tech community in the Netherlands. The conversation explores his articles on the Software Carbon Intensity standard, the complexities of balancing micro and macro sustainability goals, and the synergy between FinOps and green software. Tune in for actionable insights and strategies to make greener choices in tech while aligning sustainability with business goals.Learn more about our people:Anne Currie: LinkedIn | WebsiteWilco Burggraaf: LinkedInFind out more about the GSF:The Green Software Foundation Website Sign up to the Green Software Foundation NewsletterNews:Use of the Software Carbon Intensity (SCI) and Impact Framework (IF) Tools [39:35]The Quantum Entanglement of Software Sustainability: Navigating the Micro and Macro Scales of Carbon Footprint Measurement [41:55]Is this Green IT / Green Software at its Core? [47:13]Events:Green Software - The Netherlands | Meetup [50:48]Resources:Software Carbon Intensity (SCI) Specification Project | GSF [41:14] Green Software Maturity Matrix [46:16]If you enjoyed this episode then please either:Follow, rate, and review on Apple PodcastsFollow and rate on SpotifyWatch our videos on The Green Software Foundation YouTube Channel!Connect with us on Twitter, Github and LinkedIn!Transcript below:Wilco: At some point I came to the conclusion, like, okay, we can measure a lot of things, we can have all these metrics but at some point the numbers are not going to change outcomes. Decisions do.Chris Adams: Hello, and welcome to Environment Variables, brought to you by the Green Software Foundation. In each episode, we discuss the latest news and events surrounding green software. On our show, you can expect candid conversations with top experts in their field, who have a passion for how to red