Subscribe on Patreon and hear this week's full patron-exclusive episode here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/144753977 Beatrice speaks with Nate Holdren about how we approach the law in political struggle, the way legal framings create the bounds of “justifiable” violence, and why deportation is wrong no matter the legal status of the person detained. FInd Nate's book Injury Impoverished here: https://bookshop.org/a/118130/9781108448666 Runtime 2:05:21 We're testing out a new Bookshop.org page (still under construction), where you can find books by past guests and book recommendations from the hosts. Find it here: bookshop.org/shop/deathpanel Show links: Get Health Communism here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9781839765179 Find Tracy's book Abolish Rent here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9798888902523