Mike Hayes was Navy SEAL for 20 years, with tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. He then became a White House fellow in Bush and Obama administrations as Director of Defense Policy and Strategies, followed by a career in the private sector. In his book "Never Enough: A Navy SEAL Commander on Living a Life of Excellence, Agility, and Meaning" he describes the lessons learned during his career about the importance of meaning and impact. Profits from the book go to a 501c3 charity that pays off the mortgages of Gold Star families. Some takeaways from today's conversation: Doing the hard thing in corporate America. Owning our opinions and being honest with each other. Dynamic subordination- maintaining the agility to be where we need to be under the circumstances. Three phases of a career: 1-getting good at something. 2-having to show the world how good you are. 3-knowing you no longer need to show how good you are. Leaders gain authority by giving it away. Learning HOW to think, not WHAT to think. 1-Data, 2-logic, and then 3- forming an opinion.   Bill Hart is a coach in the mortgage industry, and the author of the book "White Collar Warrior: Lessons for Sales Professionals from America's Military Elite". Podcast produced by Studio C Creative Sound in San Diego CA