For this episode of the SOSH Podcast, Dr. Michael Warner and LTC John Childress talk about their new book, “The Use of Force for State Power: History and Future.” They discuss their model of analyzing how leaders can apply force against adversaries, both internally and domestically, and what that means for global trends today. How can we apply lessons from writers like Aristotle and Sun Tzu to modern cyber operations? How has the internet and big data damaged authoritarian regimes while also empowering them to better understand and manipulate their people? Are we in a new Cold War with China? What can cadets, students, and future policy makers learn from the classical theorists? These questions and more. This episode was originally recorded in November 2020. Dr. Michael Warner serves as a Historian in the U.S. Department of Defense and has written and lectured on intelligence and cyberspace history. He was also a Historian with the Central Intelligence Agency and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. LTC. John Childress is a U.S. Army Lieutenant Colonel who is an Instructor at the US Naval Academy. He has served as a ground commander in Iraq and Afghanistan and was an Assistant Professor at the United States Military Academy at West Point from 2010-2014. Dr. Hugh Liebert is an Associate Professor of American Politics in the Social Sciences Department, US Military Academy, West Point. He teaches courses in political philosophy, American politics, and civil-military relations. Please send comments, critiques, and suggestions to soshresearchlab@westpoint.edu . The views expressed on this podcast are strictly those of the speakers and are not reflective of the official positions of the US Military Academy, the United States Army, or the Department of Defense.