Sean Illing is joined by John Gray, political philosopher and author of the new book, The New Leviathans: Thoughts After Liberalism. They discuss Thomas Hobbes and the origins of liberalism, the current state of democracy, and the very uncertain future of the global liberal order.Host: Sean Illing (<a href="https://twitter.com/seanilling">@seanilling</a>), host, The Gray AreaGuest: John Gray, author and political philosopherReferences: <a href="https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374609733/thenewleviathans">The New Leviathans: Thoughts After Liberalism</a> by John Gray (Farrar, Straus and Giroux, 2023)<a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/3207/3207-h/3207-h.htm">Leviathan</a> by Thomas Hobbes (1651)Enjoyed this episode? Rate The Gray Area ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ and leave a review on Apple Podcasts.Subscribe for free. Be the first to hear the next episode of The Gray Area by subscribing in your favorite podcast app.Support The Gray Area by making a financial contribution to Vox!<a href="http://bit.ly/givepodcasts"> bit.ly/givepodcasts</a>This episode was made by: <ul>
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