Helen Pluckrose joins me to discuss how liberalism was lost and why free speech, individual liberty and viewpoint diversity need to be defended from both the authoritarian left and the authoritarian right.Helen explains why liberalism does not mean “left wing”, why it is better understood as the opposite of authoritarianism, and how critical social justice, identity politics and language policing have changed the way people think, speak and behave. We discuss woke ideology, DEI, equality vs equity, trans rights, queer theory, free speech, institutional capture and why suppressing ideas usually makes them more powerful.We also get into whether Britain needs a liberal revolution, how the anti-woke movement can become authoritarian itself, and why the future may depend on liberals on the left and right defending freedom within their own tribes.- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -TIMESTAMPS:00:00:00 - What Liberalism Really Means00:00:48 - How Did We Lose the 90s?00:03:13 - Phones, Algorithms and Anxiety00:08:11 - What Has Changed?00:11:16 - Woke and Language Policing00:13:57 - Liberalism vs Authoritarianism00:20:57 - How Liberalism Was Lost00:23:39 - Why Freedom Must Be Maintained00:25:33 - Can Institutions Stay Liberal?00:28:43 - Who Represents Liberalism Today?00:31:28 - DEI and Discrimination00:35:10 - Equality vs Equity00:39:29 - Is Pro-Trans Misogynistic?00:41:38 - Reality, Safety and Liberalism00:46:03 - Queer Theory and Biological Reality00:49:26 - How Civil Rights Became Language Policing00:55:06 - A Radical Defence of Freedom00:58:51 - Woke Corporatism01:03:21 - The Problem With Anti-Woke01:10:48 - Why Suppressing Speech Backfires01:13:37 - Do We Need a Liberal Revolution?01:18:03 - Can Sanity Return?01:21:00 - The Liberal Case on Immigration01:24:17 - Liberalism as the Higher Value- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -CONTACT PETE› Website – http://petermccormack.com› Feedback – https://www.petermccormack.com/contact› Email – me@petermccormack.com› Instagram – /mccormack555› X/Twitter – https://x.com/petermccormack/CONNECT WITH HELEN PLUCKROSE› Website – https://hpluckrose.com/› X/Twitter – https://x.com/HPluckroseSPONSORS› IREN - https://www.iren.com/› LEDN - https://www.ledn.io/peter- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -LISTEN / SUBSCRIBE› Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/40ruY9K› Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3Wc94Vu› Fountain: https://bit.ly/FountainPM› YouTube: https://bit.ly/YouTube_PM› Ru