Marty sits down with Tuur Demeester to discuss his visit to the South African city of Orania. Tuur on Twitter: https://x.com/TuurDemeester 0:36 - Why Tuur went to Orania 8:02 - State-proof cities dealing with crime 14:29 - Orania's origins 19:24 - Fold & Bitkey 21:19 - Population growth and businesses 26:21 - South Africa is devolving 29:54 - Unchained 30:54 - Sentiment toward Orania 32:15 - Scaling Orania’s model 34:49 - Diversity and conflict 43:50 - Bitcoin fixes this, not MAGA 50:44 - Narrowing focus to weather the storm 1:00:54 - Cultural conflict makes family pairings difficult 1:05:45 - Meme coins 1:12:06 - Ethereum delenda est 1:17:28 - Bitcoin market and Bessent 1:23:10 - Tariffs and eliminating IRS 1:28:07 - Glass half full Shoutout to our sponsors: Fold https://foldapp.com/marty/ Bitkey https://bitkey.world/ Unchained https://unchained.com/tftc/ Join the TFTC Movement: Main YT Channel https://www.youtube.com/c/TFTC21/videos Clips YT Channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUQcW3jxfQfEUS8kqR5pJtQ Website https://tftc.io/ Twitter https://twitter.com/tftc21 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/tftc.io/ Nostr https://primal.net/tftc Follow Marty Bent: Twitter https://twitter.com/martybent Nostr https://primal.net/martybent Newsletter https://tftc.io/martys-bent/ Podcast https://www.tftc.io/tag/podcasts/