This conversation delves into the life and legacy of Francis Crick, co-discoverer of the DNA structure. Dr.  Matthew Cobb, the guest, explores Crick's multifaceted personality, his poetic inspirations, collaborative nature, and his later pursuits in consciousness. The discussion also touches on the controversies surrounding his work, particularly regarding the contributions of Rosalind Franklin, and reflects on Crick's complex character, blending modern scientific thought with outdated socio-political ideas.Takeaways Crick's story is often simplified to his DNA discovery. He had a deep appreciation for poetry and its connection to science. Collaboration was a key aspect of Crick's success. His early life was marked by average academic performance. Crick's transition to biology was driven by a desire to understand life. The discovery of DNA was a complex, collaborative effort. Controversies exist regarding the ethics of scientific discovery. Crick's later work focused on the nature of consciousness. He had a unique blend of intuition and logical thinking. Crick's outdated socio-political views contrast with his scientific modernity.Chapters 00:00 The Legacy of Francis Crick 01:13 Introduction to Matthew Cobb and His Book 03:43 The Influence of Francis Crick 06:19 Crick's Unique Approach to Science 07:19 Crick's Early Life and Self-Perception 10:04 The Impact of Naval Service on Crick 12:34 Crick's Transition to Biology 15:06 The Role of Schrodinger's Work 17:26 The Dynamic Between Watson and Crick 20:13 The Discovery of the Double Helix 23:02 The Controversy of Rosalind Franklin's Contribution 28:23 The Diplomatic Row and Pauling's Mistake 29:38 The Discovery of DNA's Structure 34:31 Crick and Brenner's Collaboration 38:41 Crick's Exploration of Consciousness 43:03 Crick's Complex LegacyFollow Matthew on Twitter, and find his new book here.Subscribe to Breaking Math wherever you get your podcasts.Follow Breaking Math on Twitter, Instagram, LinkedIn, Website, YouTube, TikTokFollow Autumn on Twitter, BlueSky, and InstagramBecome a guest hereemail: breakingmathpodcast@gmail.com