In this conversation, Drs. Gaurav Suri and Jay Mcclelland delves into the intricate relationship between artificial intelligence and human cognition, exploring similarities and differences, the evolution of AI from rule-based systems to learning models, and the concept of emergence in both fields. The discussion also touches on the efficiency of human learning compared to AI, the role of consciousness, and the ethical implications of AI technology.Takeaways AI and human intelligence share similarities in neural network frameworks. Artificial systems lack the goal-directed nature inherent in humans. Humans learn more efficiently than current AI systems. Neural networks can adapt to language nuances better than rule-based systems. Emergence explains how collective intelligence arises from individual components. Memory in neural networks is represented through connections, not individual units. Mathematics is both invented and discovered, shaped by human needs. Understanding consciousness is crucial for AI development. Human misuse of AI poses significant risks. Recognizing ourselves as processes can foster empathy and morality.Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Backgrounds 01:00 AI vs Human Mind: Similarities and Differences 03:32 The Shift from Rule-Based AI to Learning Systems 09:07 Emergence in Cognition: Ant Colonies and Intelligence 15:25 Distributed Representations and Memory Storage 23:53 The Nature of Memory and Its Malleability 25:40 Emergence of Mathematical Concepts 29:50 The Invention vs. Discovery Debate in Mathematics 32:19 Learning Mechanisms: Brain vs. AI 36:48 Consciousness: Function and Implications 41:13 AI Risks: Human Misuse vs. AI Autonomy 43:45 Living with Emergence: Understanding Ourselves and Others 48:22 Exploring the Emergent MindFollow Gaurav Suri on LinkedIn. Follow Jay McClelland on Twitter and find their new book here.Subscribe to Breaking Math wherever you get your podcasts.Follow Breaking Math on Twitter, Instagram, LinkedIn, Website, YouTube, TikTokFollow Autumn on Twitter, BlueSky, and InstagramBecome a guest hereemail: breakingmathpodcast@gmail.com