"It's a story about patterns, the ones that shape us, trap us, and sometimes, if we're lucky, set us free." Power and transformation begin where truth meets courage. This conversation reveals how the human potential movement emerged from the radical optimism of the 1970s and reshaped into today's $48-billion self-help industry. At its core is the tension between enlightenment and ego — how the same tools that awaken millions can also entrap them if they surrender their inner wisdom to authority. The principles at play are timeless: responsibility, authenticity, and the danger of confusing charisma with truth.  From her front-row seat at the birth of EST, Marcia Martin exposes both the miracles and the madness behind the movement that promised human liberation. She shares what it was like to be a powerful woman in a man's world — creating mass transformation while learning hard lessons about influence, control, and integrity. Her reflections carry a rare honesty and hard-earned compassion that illuminate the shadow side of success.  Marcia is a legendary thought leader, executive coach, and founding architect of the modern self-help industry. She helped launch Werner Erhard's EST (Erhard Seminar Training), ran Tony Robbins' organization in its early years, co-created the Transformational Leadership Council with Jack Canfield, and has guided hundreds of thousands through transformational leadership worldwide.  Expert action steps: Center before you act — Be fully present. When you engage with others, bring yourself into the moment rather than being distracted by thoughts about the past or future.