If you feel successful on paper but numb inside, this conversation is your wake-up call. In this episode, Junaid sits down (for part two) with David Schafran, founder of Somo Loco salsa immersions, to explore how dance, emotion, and embodiment can completely transform the way you lead, sell, and show up in your life. David shares how Latin partner dance became the missing piece that made him feel whole as a founder — unblocking his emotions, deepening his relationships, and turning “sales” into genuine human connection. They dive into why burnout is a silent killer for entrepreneurs, why presence is the ultimate business skill, and how a week of dancing in places like Medellín can create a lifetime of ROI in your leadership, relationships, and inner aliveness. If you’ve ever felt like a “zombie” in your own company, this episode shows you a completely different way to live and work. 5 Big Takeaways Dance as emotional therapy: How salsa helped David cultivate EQ, prevent burnout, and feel whole as a person. Partner dance = real-time leadership training: Why reading subtle cues, responding in the moment, and “improvising together” are the same skills great founders and salespeople use. Sales as human connection, not a script: How truly listening, making people feel seen, and being someone others want to be around becomes your unfair advantage. Embodiment beats automation: Why deep emotional presence is the one thing AI cannot replicate — and how to protect your career by developing this “human edge.” The ROI of a dance immersion: Why taking 1–2 weeks to dance in Barcelona or Medellín can be life-changing for burned-out founders, lonely high-achievers, and anyone who wants to feel more alive. Timestamps [00:01:05] The missing piece: how dance made David feel whole as a founder [00:02:32] Partner dance, presence, and reading people like a pro [00:04:04] From scripts to souls: using dance to transform your sales game [00:07:00] “If you’re blocked emotionally, you can’t connect”: why EQ is your moat against AI [00:08:37] The real ROI of taking 1–2 weeks off to dance in Medellín or Barcelona [00:10:56] Embodiment, burnout, and building relational skills that last a lifetime [00:13:03] Zombies, dreams, and the moment David realised he wanted to “wake people up” [00:18:10] Movement is medicine: why getting back into your body changes everything Guest Links – David Schafran / Somo Loco Website (Dance Immersions & Salsa Retreats): https://somoloco.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/dancesomoloco Whether you’re burnt out, curious, or just ready to feel alive again, this episode stands alone as a complete guide to why dance and embodiment might be the most underrated “business strategy” of your life. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices