In world where privacy is difficult to come by, how much can you actually trust the apps on your phone? Ex-Hacker and Co-founder of CTRL Group Bastien Treptel talks with Simon Harmaan, the CEO of the Loki Project, a Melbourne-based privacy software foundation about why we need misinformation and what apps you should delete off your phone. For more episodes download the free LiSTNR app See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.