Jules Hannaford from the Fool Me Twice podcast joins me to talk about 4 years of PRETEND.________Story idea?If you have a story to share, email Javier at javier@pretendradio.org.For more episodes like this, visit pretendradio.org.To get early releases and bonus episodes, go to pretendradio.org/donateToday's episode was written and edited by Javier Leiva Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices