“If you're going to lead and grow a company and scale it, you can't be in the middle of everything.”In this week’s episode, Carol Schultz sits down with Jasen Gundersen (Founder & CEO of CardioOne) to unpack what it actually takes to build an autonomous work culture—and why most leaders unknowingly become the biggest bottleneck to their company’s growth.Jasen explains why micromanagement isn’t just inefficient—it’s a direct path to failure when trying to scale. Drawing from his own leadership journey, he shares how working under both empowering and controlling leaders shaped his philosophy: hire strong people, give them ownership, and get out of their way. The conversation dives into how autonomy drives retention, attracts top talent, and allows companies to operate at speed without constant oversight. They also explore why many founders struggle to let go, how “founder syndrome” limits growth, and what it really means to build a team that can function without you. The episode closes with practical insights on hiring for ownership, encouraging open dialogue, and creating a culture where people step up without being asked.TakeawaysAutonomy is required for scale—not just a leadership preference.Micromanagement is one of the fastest ways to kill growth.Leaders who stay involved in everything become bottlenecks.Retention improves when employees feel trusted and empowered.Autonomous teams move faster and solve problems independently.Hiring should focus on ownership, not just skill sets.Strong teams don’t wait for instructions—they take initiative.Open communication and questioning improve decision-making.Silence inside teams is often a warning sign.Founder syndrome limits company growth and scalability.Leaders should aim to build teams that don’t depend on them.Delegation is essential for long-term success.Culture is a major driver of performance and growth.High-performing environments attract top-tier talent.Early hires should be versatile and capable of handling multiple roles.Trust enables teams to “lean in” without being asked.Growth accelerates when responsibility is distributed.The best leaders create systems, not dependency.Empowered teams create momentum inside organizations.Letting go is not a weakness—it’s a requirement for scaling.Chapters00:00 Intro: Why leaders feel they must control everything00:43 The core problem: “If I want it done right, I’ll do it myself”01:24 What Cardio One does and the problem it solves03:23 Growth of the company and early traction05:28 Loss of autonomy in traditional systems07:22 Jasen’s leadership philosophy07:31 Leading how you want to be led08:00 Why micromanagement fails08:31 Building a company that runs without the founder09:24 Founder syndrome and control issues10:21 Communication as the foundation of scaling11:21 Encouraging team feedback and pushback12:12 Hiring people who thrive in autonomy13:10 Benefits of autonomous teams13:21 Retention and scalability advantages14:35 How autonomy attracts better talent15:14 The danger of being the only decision-maker16:10 Early leadership lessons and delegation16:39 Hiring your replacement mindset17:27 The origin story behind Cardio One20:16 Simplicity vs complexity in business building22:27 How the company evolved over time25:19 Trusting teams to execute independently28:57 Growth bottlenecks and risk-taking29:11 Fear vs entrepreneurship mindset31:05 Teams taking initiative without leadership33:34 Changing mindset of modern professionals36:07 Mission-driven work and culture39:38 Final thoughts on empowering teamsConnect With Host Carol Schul