In this conversation I’m joined by Andrew Gould and Michael Diamant to explore the importance of traditional architecture and city planning. We discuss why so much of our built environment feels alienating, how modernism abandoned human proportion and beauty, and why recovering classical forms matters for culture, community, and even our spiritual lives.Michael shares the story of the Architecture Uprising movement across Europe, and Andrew explains how he approaches designing buildings that are rooted in tradition yet alive for today. Together we reflect on how beauty is not just a luxury—it’s essential for human flourishing.Youtube version: https://youtu.be/uS_3FB7foVc?si=5zMFNf8ALUUAov9dArchitects, go to https://newtrad.org/Follow Michael on X / Twitter: https://x.com/michael_diamantAndrew Gould's website: https://newworldbyzantine.com/Follow Andrew on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/andrew.gould.1401Buy Rapunzel and the Evil Witch: https://rapunzelbook.com/ Timestamps:00:00 - Coming up00:48 - Intro music01:13 - Introduction06:14 - What's great about ugly architecture?09:27 - Politics10:51 - The Brutalist13:03 - City planning15:28 - Density20:28 - What is driving the madness?27:03 - The options for architects30:17 - What architecture is today34:26 - Classical beauty40:10 - Bad classical architecture45:52 - Defending your culture51:05 - Andrew Gould's work01:01:02 - Architectural fashion01:04:58 - The film industry💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau 🔒 BECOME A PATRON: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson: https://matthewwilkinson.net/