In this episode, Whitney is joined by UH contributor Max Jones to discuss the influence of the PayPal Mafia's Peter Thiel on Trump's HHS, the likely policies of a RFK-led HHS, and what the expansion of the contracts between HHS and the Thiel-founded Palantir portend for the expansion of the surveillance state. Show notes Follow Max: @maxyyjones, Max Jones | Substack, Max Jones | Unlimited Hangout Originally published 02/10/25. --- Get early access to podcasts by becoming an Unlimited Hangout member. Find previous episodes on all podcast platforms Order Whitney’s book One Nation Under Blackmail. Sign up for the weekly newsletter to receive updates on new articles, podcasts, and interviews.