We've spoken about the dark side of hacking and we've shown you that hacking can be used for good. But is there a line? And what happens when you cross it? Ex-Hacker and Co-Founder of CTRL Group Bastien Treptel is joined by Skeeve Stevens, the first Australian to go to jail for hacking, to talk about what collaboration needs to happen to protect ourselves online and what new technology he fears the most. For more episodes download the free LiSTNR app See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.