For this episode of the Sosh Podcast, MAJ Haz Yano and Dr. Scott Limbocker interview the Honorable John Tien, Deputy Secretary of Homeland Security. The hosts spoke with him about the history of the Department of Homeland Security, the challenges of managing a complex bureaucracy with a diverse mission set, and working in the interagency both as a member of the military, and now as a leader in the Department of Homeland Security.    Please send any comments, questions, and suggestions to SoshResearchLab@westpoint.edu.    The Honorable John Tien is the current Deputy Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, under the Biden Administration. He is a USMA grad from the Class of 1987 and the first Asian American to serve as First Captain. Deputy Secretary Tien completed a 24 year career in the Army, which included multiple combat tours, serving as a White House Fellow, instructing American Politics at West Point’s Department of Social Sciences, and being the US National Security Council Senior Director for Afghanistan and Pakistan between 2009 and 2011. Upon retiring from the Army, Deputy Secretary Tien worked 10 years as a managing director for Citigroup before being appointed and confirmed as the Deputy Secretary of DHS in 2021.    Dr. Scott Limbocker is an Assistant Professor of American Politics in West Point’s Department of Social Sciences. His research focuses on the American executive branch and how the heterogeneity of employees within the federal government shapes the policy outcomes produced by agencies. Dr. Limbocker holds a PhD in political science from Vanderbilt University as well as two Master’s in political science.   MAJ Hazumu Yano is an Instructor of American Politics in West Point’s Department of Social Sciences. His research interests focus on civil-military relations. He is the producer for the Sosh Podcast.    The Sosh Podcast is recorded, edited, and produced by faculty members of the Department of Social Sciences at the US Military Academy, West Point. However, the views expressed on this podcast belong to those of the speakers, and should not be seen as reflective of the official positions of the US Military Academy, the United States Army, the Department of Defense, or any government entity.