Welcome to Episode 424 of the Outdoor Biz Podcast. Today I’m speaking with PacAPit creator and Founder John Chadwell. The inspiration for PacAPit came from the idea of building a fire they could use while sitting in the water, a fire that people could gather around. They started in June of 2020, and after John developed the product and got a patent, they begin selling in October of 2021. They are in all 50 states and about 14 countries! Facebook​ ​Twitter​ ​Instagram​ Love the show? Subscribe, ​rate, review, and share!​ Sign up for my Newsletter ​HERE​ I’d love to hear your feedback about the show! You can contact me here: ​rick@theoutdoorbizpodcast.com Show Notes Overview PacAPit 00:00 Invented COVID baby fire concept on river. 03:23 Texas grocery chain H E B founders started camp foundation in Hill Country; aims to preserve camping experience. 07:56 Considering outsourcing production to scale business, possibly outsourcing grill production to a stamping facility. 11:30 Looking for retailers in San Antonio and Spring Branch for outdoor gear and fire pits. 15:30 The PacAPit allows building fires on any surface, including snow and ice, for outdoor activities. 16:44 People crave campfire experience to gather and connect, improving social interaction. 20:41 Advice on iterating a product, seeking feedback, and protecting ideas. 23:31 Versatile tool, furniture development, long-term app goal for