Get a free week of THC+ with no credit card required: https://www.thehighersidechats.com/plus-tv-trial/ Watch the free first hour of today’s show on YouTube: here In this episode, Greg Carlwood hosts Lance Baker and Matt Dragonstone to explore the mystical world of divination, pendulums, and the spiritual insights that can be magically unlocked. They share personal stories, historical context, and practical advice on engaging with spirits and the cosmos. They explore the mysteries of spirit contact, divination, and the power of energy healing. Chapters 04:00 Greg introduces Lance and Matt and their backgrounds 05:01 Greg discusses the passing of Gordon White and contact with spirits 09:58 Lance shares his experience with migraines and healing through Reiki 15:13 The history and significance of the Pleiades in various cultures 19:59 The use of pendulums in divination and spirit communication 24:55 The importance of timing and intention in magical work 30:05 Choosing and consecrating talismans based on astrology 34:47 The risks and dangers of engaging with spirits and magic 40:00 Greg and Lance discuss signs from the spirit world 44:56 Historical studies and experiments with pendulums and unconscious responses 49:46 Personal contact with Gordon White after his passing 01:00:05 The legacy and lessons from Gordon White’s life and work 01:05:01 Final thoughts on magic, trust, and spiritual engagement Guest Links: Lance’s website: https://branchesofhealing.com.au/ Mat’s Website: https://dragonstoneastrology.com/ Pleiades Pendulum Set: https://dragonstoneastrology.com/talismans/p/pleaides-talismanic-pendulum-set-for-secret-knowledge-and-divinatory-skill   Images