What is the NATO alliance really for? Grey Anderson's recent book Natopolitanism offers some hints, and the answer is (shockingly) not always what proponents of the Alliance say it is. On this episode, we speak with Grey—an editor and historian based in New York—about the book, the history of NATO, and what the future of the transatlantic relationship might look like. Buy his book here: https://www.versobooks.com/en-gb/products/3093-natopolitanism Read his NLR piece here: https://newleftreview.org/issues/ii140/articles/grey-anderson-weapon-of-power-matrix-of-management Read his NYT piece here: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/11/opinion/nato-summit-vilnius-europe.html -- Support Spaßbremse on Patreon here: ⁠https://www.patreon.com/spassbremse⁠ Co-hosted by Ted (⁠⁠@ted_knudsen⁠⁠) and Michelle (⁠⁠@shhellgames⁠⁠). Edited by Nick of ⁠@cornerspaeti⁠ Follow Spaßbremse on Twitter (⁠@spassbremse_pod⁠). Music by Lee Rosevere. Art by Franziska Schneider.