NEW: @Sheila Vashee (CMO of @Figma) joins GTMnow to share how she thinks about brand building across every stage. From selling brownies at age eight, to second marketing hire at Dropbox scaling to $1B+ in annualized revenue, to now leading marketing at one of the most beloved software brands in the world, Sheila has seen it all.In this conversation, you’ll learn what brand actually means (hint: it's not your logo), how PLG companies make the leap to enterprise, why being obsessively close to your customers is a compounding advantage, and how AI is reshaping the marketing playbook without replacing the human craft that sets great brands apart.Guest links:- Guest - LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sheilavashee/ - Guest company - LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/figma/- Guest company website: https://www.figma.com/Host links:- Sophie Buonassisi - LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sophiebuonassisi/- Sophie Buonassisi - X (Twitter): https://x.com/sophiebuona- Newsletter: https://thegtmnewsletter.substack.comSponsors: - HockeyStack - the AI platform that unifies GTM data to help teams convert, expand, and scale. Learn more at https://www.hockeystack.com/- Granola - the AI notepad that turns meetings into action by capturing context, decisions, and next steps automatically. Head to https://www.granola.ai/gtmfund and get three months free with the code GTMFUND.Transcript available under the episode here: https://gtmnow.com/tag/podcast/Subscribe to GTMnow for the latest episodes! https://gtmnow.com/Highlights:00:00 – The brownie stand: why brand building started at age eight03:55 – How Sheila defines brand: it's what people say when you're not in the room05:08 – Joining Dropbox as the second marketing hire06:07 – Space Race: the campaign that defined Dropbox's early strategy06:56 – What consumer marketing taught her about driving revenue08:29 – Measuring brand ROI through match market testing09:15 – How Figma thinks about brand building at a macro level11:21 – The PLG-to-enterprise equation: what Figma did early that Dropbox waited too long on15:02 – Why building the enterprise team is both operational and optical17:12 – How Figma