Beatrice speaks with Rachel Herzing and Justin Piché about how the fight to abolish prisons touches other movements, what abolitionist movement wins tell us about taking the long view in organizing work, and their new book How to Abolish Prisons: Lessons from the Movement against Imprisonment. Find the book here: https://bookshop.org/a/118130/9798888900833 This episode was originally released September 2nd, 2024 for Death Panel patrons. To support the show and help make episodes like this one possible, become a patron at www.patreon.com/deathpanelpod Show links: We're testing out a new Bookshop.org page (still under construction), where you can find books by past guests and book recommendations from the hosts. Find it here: https://bookshop.org/shop/deathpanel Get Health Communism here: https://bookshop.org/a/118130/9781839765179 Outro by Time Wharp: timewharp.bandcamp.com/track/tezeta