Jerod is joined by Ryan Dahl to discuss his second take on leveling up JavaScript developers all around the world. Jerod asks Ryan why not try to fix or fork Node instead of starting fresh, how Deno (the open source project) can avoid the all too common rug pull (not cool) scenario, what’s new in Deno 2 & their pragmatic decision to support npm, they talk JSR, they talk Deno KV & SQLite, they even talk about Ryan’s open letter to Oracle in an attempt to free the unused “JavaScript” trademark from the giant’s clutches. Join the discussionChangelog++ members save 3 minutes on this episode because they made the ads disappear. Join today!Sponsors:Jam.dev – One click bug reports developers love — Never explain another bug report again. Jam auto-captures all the info engineers need to debug and repro. Featuring:Ryan Dahl – Website, GitHub, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes: Node.js: The Documentary - YouTube From Node.js to Deno: How It All Began - YouTube 10 Things I Regret About Node.js - YouTube JSR: the JavaScript Registry rusty_v8: Rust bindings for the V8 JavaScript engine JavaScript™ (Dear Oracle) Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!