"There were probably a lot of brown envelopes on the table involved — they said, okay, have this zone then." - Timothy Allen speaks with economist Lotta Moberg. Lotta, author of the leading academic book on special economic zones, joins the podcast to challenge the conventional wisdom around why zones exist, whether they actually work, and what the popular narrative gets wrong. The conversation opens with Lotta's framework: political economy and public choice theory, which assumes policymakers are self-interested humans, not benevolent optimizers. This lens reshapes how we understand why governments create zones — and why many underperform yet continue to receive funding. She pushes back on the "sandbox" narrative around China's early zones, arguing the origin story was messier and more bottom-up than the neat version usually told. Local businessmen near Hong Kong lobbied corrupt local officials to allow trade — and the central government only endorsed the model years later once results were undeniable. Key takeaways include: privately developed zones consistently outperform government-run ones; failing zones often attract more subsidies rather than being shut down; and the scholarship on 6,000+ zones worldwide remains surprisingly thin. The second half shifts to free cities, wealth management strategy, Bitcoin as property rights in the digital realm, cannabis investing as a case study in maturing industries, and why governance by contract rather than birth may be the most important shift of our generation. Lotta declares herself "a total convert" to the contractual governance model after watching Próspera survive political opposition. Enjoy the conversation. - Links Mentioned in the Show: New ArkPad Seasteading Resort in Próspera: https://tinyurl.com/ArkPad EP 111 with Alex Martynov: https://fountain.fm/episode/WTlkU4B2kkMr8qTuoYyF Email Alex Martynov: alex@alexmartynov.com - SHOW SPONSOR: Veritas Villages: https://www.veritasvillages.com/freecities Veritas Villages are building off-grid, energy self-sufficient communities for freedom lovers in Latin America. Bitcoin is accepted at all villages, including for the purchase of property. - Previous interviews with Patrick Hiebert, Founder of Veritas Villages: EP 156: https://fountain.fm/episode/66NqAclTBh7FByIX7lCq EP 107: https://fountain.fm/episode/Fh6uGwZvVtPsYsR53pTI - DONATE Bitcoin to the Free Cities Podcast: bc1q5jun0nzxzqepch84rqk0jnv0rd8uvns28df7mg - DONATE fiat currency to the Free Cities Podcast: https://buy.stripe.com/5kQ9AT90zeeY5JX7Jv4ow00 - Listen on Fountain.fm to subscribe for BONUS episodes & EARLY ACCESS: https://fountain.fm/show/xudG4tsYH5TimGLfAmqn All the Podcast Links: https://linktr.ee/FreeCitiesPodcast Free Cities Telegram Community: https://t.me/+im6c6r4jQkUzMjU0 Free Cities Conference: https://freecitiesconference.com/ Free Cities Foundation Newsletter: https://free-cities.org/subscribe -