Welcome to the The Confab, the term derives from "confidential talk", which was commonly used in the Prohibition Era for meetings and conversations that took place in the smoky, rule-breaking speakeasies of that time. The informal, privacy focused and clandestine nature of Ungovernable Misfits lends itself to these discussions.  So, grab a seat and a stiff drink from the concealed bar, listen and revel in the conversation.On this episode, Seth For Privacy drops-in to speak with Max Show Discussion I. Introduction and Background   - Explanation of the "Confab" format and the importance of private conversations   - Acknowledgment of the changing privacy landscape and the need for reasonable voicesII. The State of Bitcoin Privacy   - Discussion of the loss of Samourai Wallet and the impact on Bitcoin privacy   - Challenges with using Lightning Network for private transactionsIII. The Role of Monero   - Appreciation for Monero's narrow focus on digital cash and its privacy improvements over time   - Comparing the strengths and weaknesses of Bitcoin and Monero for privacyIV. Strategies for Maintaining Privacy   - Exploring the concept of using Monero as a "layer 2" for Bitcoin   - Importance of understanding the trade-offs and risks of various privacy techniquesV. Emerging Privacy Solutions   - Overview of silent payments and the potential of Bolt 12 for Lightning privacy   - Discussion of Monero's upcoming "full chain membership proofs" upgradeVI. Practical Considerations and Cautions   - Advice on using Monero wallets and managing inputs/outputs   - Warnings about the risks of cross-chain swaps and custodial servicesVII. Spending Monero and Finding Merchant Acceptance   - Recommendations for services like Cake Pay and Coin Cards   - Importance of in-person purchases to maintain privacyVIII. Conclusion and Closing Thoughts   - Appreciation for the guest's honesty and nuanced approach to privacy   - Encouragement to continue the conversation and collaborate on solutionsIMPORTANT LINKS https://freesamourai.comhttps://p2prights.org/donate.htmlhttps://www.courtlistener.com/docket/68467223/united-states-v-rodriguez/https://x.com/frankcorva/status/1795509090946363682SHOW SPONSORSFOUNDATION (https://foundationdevices.com/ungovernable) Foundation builds Bitcoin-centric tools that empower you to reclaim your digital sovereignty. As a sovereign computing company, Foundation is the antithesis of today’s tech conglomerates. Returning to cypherpunk principles, they build open source technology that “can’t be evil,” Thank you Foundation Devices for sponsoring the show. Use code: Ungovernable for $10 off of your purchaseThanks for listening you Ungovernable Misfits, we appreciate your continued support and hope you enjoy the shows.