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Esther Ludlow

Once Upon a Crime is a weekly true crime podcast that tells “the story behind the story” of real life crime. Told in a storytelling style, listeners are presented facts and information about each case they won’t hear anywhere else.

In this conclusion to our 2-part episode on spree killer, Robert Garrow, I’ll detail Garrow’s killing spree in the summer of 1973, his time as a fugitive, and his arrest and convcition. Resources: The Garrow Manhunt: A Serial Killer in the Adirondackshttps://www.adirondack.net/history/garrow-manhunt/ Crime Library: Robert Garrow https://web.archive.org/web/20140403090224/http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/predators/robert_garrow/2.htmlSworn to Silence: The Truth Behind Robert Garrow and the Missing Bodies Case, Jim Tracy, Post Hill Press, March 2021“When Robert Garrow’s murders, manhunt terrified the Adirondacks”, Mark Frost, Glens Falls Chronicle, July 9, 2021. “Secrets and Death: Former reporter tackles the Robert Garrow story,” Will Doolittle, Adirondack Daily Enterprise. “Dannemora Manhunt Harkens Back to Robert Garrow, Source of ‘Terror in the Adirondacks’, Bill Carey, New York State, June 16, 2015. “Garrow Reign of Terror 35 Years Later”, Lohr McKinstry, Press Publican, April 13, 2006. Sponsor: Best Fiends - Download for FREE today at the Apple App store or Google Play. Music Credit:https://www.truecrimepodcast.com/p/music-credits/ 

In 1973, a violent sexual predator went on a killing spree in the Adirondack Mountains. In Part 1 of this 2-part series, I detail Garrow’s abusive childhood, history of violence, and the escalation of his crimes from theft, to kidnapping and assault, and ultimately to rape and murder. Resources: Robert Francis Garrow, Jr: American Spree Killerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fu5e4RJKp9s&t=1235s Murderpedia.com: Robert Garrowhttps://murderpedia.org/male.G/g/garrow-robert-photos.htmThe Garrow Manhunt: A Serial Killer in the Adirondackshttps://www.adirondack.net/history/garrow-manhunt/ Crime Library: Robert Garrow https://web.archive.org/web/20140403090224/http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/predators/robert_garrow/2.htmlSworn to Silence: The Truth Behind Robert Garrow and the Missing Bodies Case, Jim Tracy, Post Hill Press, March 2021See website for music credits

In 1969, U.S. Senator Ted Kennedy was the front runner to become the next Presidential candidate on the Democratic Party ticket. But, decisions he would make one fateful night on Chappaquiddick Island would result in the death of a young woman and leave his reputation in tatters. Did Ted Kennedy get away with murder?Resources“‘Kennedy Passenger Dies in Car Plunge’: How Chappaquiddick was covered by The Washington Post”, by Richard Harwood and Paul Blackwell for The Washington Post, July 18, 2019.“‘The Kennedy machine Buried What Really Happened’: Revisiting Chappaquiddick, 50 years later”, by Josh Sanburn for Vanity Fair, July 17, 2019.“The End of Camelot”, Vanity Fair, September 1993. “Ted Kennedy’s Chappaquiddick Incident: What Really Happened”, by Sarah Pruitt for History, April 6, 2018. “Why the True Story of ‘Chappaquiddick’ Is Impossible to Tell”, by Lorraine Boissoneault for Smithsonian Magazine, April 2, 2018.Background Cinematic Sad by MusicLFilesLink: https://filmmusic.io/song/8031-background-cinematic-sadLicense: https://filmmusic.io/standard-licenseMisty Lights by Rafael KruxLink: https://filmmusic.io/song/5686-misty-lights-License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license

A big Halloween party at an apartment complex in Redmond, Washington. Themed rooms and costumed partygoers. But by the end of the party, one of the hosts is dead. The police look to the partiers as the prime suspects: was it the guy in the devil mask, the bank robber, the construction worker? As investigators comb through forensic evidence, witness testimony, DNA, and even consult with a psychic, they zero in on one suspect in particular. But for what reason? Host and reporter Matthew Shaer (Over My Dead Body) returns to the scene of the crime, speaks with everyone about a night that still haunts them years later. It’s a series about race and policing, mislaid justice, cutting-edge science, and the kinds of weighty choices that cops and prosecutors make every day -- choices that, once made, are difficult to reverse.Listen to SUSPECT: http://wondery.fm/Suspect_UponACrime

A billionaire heiress kills her friend in a “freak accident”. Was Eduardo Tirella’s death actually an accident or did Doris Duke commit murder? Resources: Doris Duke: Facts, Death and Mansion, Biography.com:https://www.biography.com/personality/doris-dukeHomicide at Rough Point by Peter Lance for Vanity Fair, July 16, 2020 https://bit.ly/2VHjXC7The Fatal Crash that Plunged Doris Duke into a Scandal by Samantha Todd for Forbes Magazine, Oct 18, 2019https://www.forbes.com/sites/samanthatodd/2019/10/18/the-fatal-crash-that-plunged-doris-duke-into-scandal/?sh=5a23b31e2057The Doris Duke Cold Case Reopens: The Only Known Eyewitness Speaks for the First Time by Peter Lance for Vanity Fair, August 5, 2021https://bit.ly/3Ct9oDQSponsor: Best Fiends - Download for FREE today at the Apple App store or Google Play. Links: CrimeCon UK: https://www.crimecon.co.uk - Use promo code ONCEUPON21 for 10% off your registration. Patreon: www.patreon.com/onceuponacrimeYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/OnceUponACrimePodcast

The wealthy son of a New York real estate family leaves town to avoid investigation in the decades-old disappearance of his wife. A year later, he will be the number one suspect in the murder of an elderly man in Texas. This is the first chapter in the series “Getting Away with Murder”, the case of Robert Durst. Resources:Books:A Deadly Secret: The Bizarre and Chilling Story of Robert Durst by Matt Birkbeck, Berkeley Books, 2005.He Killed them All: Robert Durst and my Quest for Justice by Jeanine Pirro, Gallery Books, 2015. Article links: https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/robert-durst-case-timeline/26/https://abcnews.go.com/US/robert-durst-killed-neighbor-words/story?id=29689667https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/money-and-power/a31043951/robert-durst-murder-trial-details/https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-robert-durst-self-defense-20150316-story.htmlhttps://www.gq.com/story/killer-in-the-blue-dresshttps://www.cnn.com/2021/08/04/us/robert-durst-testimony/index.htmlSponsor:Small Town Murders - Download for FREE on the Apple App Store or Google Play.Links:True Crime Guys Podcast: https://truecrimelasvegas.podbean.comOnce Upon a Crime Facebook Fan Page: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1730325570622505

In 1967, a double murder shocked a small town in Virginia. A suspect was quickly rounded up, but the case wasn’t truly resolved until decades later when a chance encounter led to a series of events that would ultimately bring about a deathbed confession. Resources: “Thomas Free on Bond; Hearing Slated Oct 27”, The News Leader, Oct 17, 1967. “Prosecution Rests in Thomas Hearing”, The News Leader, April 10, 1968. “Getting away with murder? Former cop has serious questions about why Staunton’s most infamous killer almost got away”, Lindsay Barnes for The Hook, Jan 8, 2009Sharron C. Smith, Obituary, retrieved from Legacy.com“Woman confesses to 1967 slayings”, Ashley Broughton for CNN, Jan 24, 2009. “Motive in Double Killing 42 Years Ago is Revealed”, The Associated Press, retrieved from The New York Times, Jan 24, 2009. “We just want the truth; Connie Hevener’s family wants to know why a cop allegedly hid her killer for 40 years”, Lindsay Barnes for The Hook, Feb 26, 2009. “Bound by blood? Were cop and killer father and child?”, Lindsay Barnes for The Hook, April 23, 2009. “A $200M Wrong? One-time suspect in ‘67 slayings says Staunton cops framed him”, Brad Zinn for The News Leader, Dec 23, 2010. “High’s case featured on Investigation Discovery”, Augusta Free Press, Feb 17, 2013.Sponsors: Hooked on Phonics - www.hookedonphonics.com/once to get your first month for $1 dollar. Small Town Murders - Download and play FREE on the Apple App Store or Google Play. Links:Patreon - Join to become a Patreon member for bonus episodes, early release, ad-free episodes and more at www.patreon.com/onceuponacrime. CrimeCon UK - www.crimecon.co.uk and use my discount code ONCEUPON21 for 10% off your registration. Join the Once Upon a Crime Facebook Group - https://www.facebook.com/groups/1730325570622505

In this series I share cases where people on their deathbeds finally confess to terrible crimes. In his episode you’ll hear about a brutal murder that went unsolved for over a dozen years when the perpetrator confessed before meeting his maker. But, this story ends with a twist when fate intervenes. Resources: State of Tennessee v. James Murray Washington, Direct Appeal from the Criminal Court for Davidson County, July 15, 2014The Crime Reel: A Brutal Murder and a Deathbed Confession, YouTube.com, May 26, 2021. https://youtu.be/5vD_KFlPbtwhttps://blogs.findlaw.com/legalgrounds/2012/11/deathbed-confession-leads-to-conviction-after-man-gets-better.htmlhttps://abcnews.go.com/US/inmate-james-washington-convicted-death-bed-murder-confession/story?id=17653264https://criminallawyerwashingtondc.com/blog/tennessee-man-on-deathbed-confesses-to-murder-then-recovers-and-gets-life-sentence/Sponsors: Best Fiends - Download Best Fiends FREE on the Apple App Store or Google Play. Links: CrimeCon UK - www.crimecon.co.uk - Use my promo code ONCEUPON21 for 10% off your registration. Patreon - www.patreon.com/onceuponacrimeYou can sign up to receive texts from Once Upon a Crime by texting OUAC to 408-676-1770. Msg&DataRatesMayApply. Text messaging provided by Text Sanity.

In this series "Deathbed Confessions" I share cases that went cold and the perpetrator was only revealed when they made a deathbed confession. In this first episode, a dying woman reveals a long-held secret to her children, leading to a shocking discovery. Resources: “Slaying Victim had Fled a Troubled Past”, The Boston Globe, November 20, 2004. http://archive.boston.com/news/local/articles/2004/11/20/body_found_in_storage_tentatively_identified?pg=full“John’s in the Freezer”, What Lies Beyond, August 31, 2014. https://whatliesbeyond.boards.net/thread/2333/johns-freezer“Deathbed Confession Leads to Slain Husband”, Catherine Saillant, Los Angeles Times, Nov 20, 2004. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2004-nov-20-me-deathbed20-story.html“Murder Confession Confirmed”, Jay Lindsay/AP, Seacoast Online.com Nov 20, 2004“Slaying Victim was Cleared in 1981 Brawl”, Michael Levenson, The Boston Globe, Nov 25, 2004. “Lies of former Ventura woman, who kept body in freezer, went unchallenged”, Angelica Martinez and Aron Miller, Ventura County Star, Nov 20, 2004. “Authorities confirm woman’s deathbed murder confession”, Jay Lindsay/AP, The Berkshire Eagle, Nov 20, 2004. Sponsor: Small Town Murders - Download this murder-mystery puzzle game for FREE on the Apple App Store or Google Play. Links: CrimeCon UK - www.crimecon.co.uk - Use my promo code ONCEUPON21 for 10% off your registration Patreon - www.patreon.com/onceuponacrimeYou can sign up to receive texts from Once Upon a Crime by texting OUAC to 408-676-1770. Msg&DataRatesMayApply. Text messaging provided by Text Sanity.

In this final chapter of “Buried Truth” I share a story of one of the most rare categories of criminal - the female serial killer. Behind her grandmotherly exterior, Dorothea Puente was hiding some very dark secrets very close to home. This is the case of “The Killer Landlady”. Resources: Newspapers.com - Dorothea Puente by Julia Scheeres for TruTV.com Jailed Landlady: I Didn’t Kill Anyone - The Sacramento Bee - Nov 18, 1988 Puente Guilty of Killing 3 - The Sacramento Bee - Aug 27, 1993Murderous Landlady Puente Dies - The Sacramento Bee - March 28, 2011The Life and Deaths of Dorothea Puente by Martin Kuz for Sactown Magazine, 2009. Sacramento serial killer’s former home renovated, ready for visits - David Bienick for KCRA3, August 29, 2013Tours, documentary focus on Sacramento house of murderer Dorothea Puente - Ryan Lillis for The Sacramento Bee, Sept 1, 2015 California Superior Court (Sacramento County) case files for The People v. Dorothea Montalvo Puente - Retrieved from The Online Archive of California - oac.cdlib.org Sponsors: Acorn TV - www.Acorn.TV - Try Acorn TV free for 30 days by using my promo code "once" (all lowercase letters) Candid - Start straightening your teeth today and save $75 on Candid’s starter kit by going to CandidCO.com/once.Small Town Murders - Download Small Town Murders FREE today on the Apple App Store or Google Play. Links: Patreon - www.patreon.com/onceuponacrimeTo opt-in to receive texts from Once Upon a Crime text OUAC to 408-676-1770. Msg&DataRatesMayApply.

A teenage boy goes missing in 1984. Authorities would quickly decide that he was a runaway, but his family didn’t agree. Fourteen years later his fate would be learned in a shocking and unusual way. Resources: The New Detectives: Grave Secrets - Season 8, Episode 7, The Discovery Channel Articles (Jackson Vallarta/Christopher Denoyer/Dale Vallarta) from The Californian newspaper, Feb 17 1998 to Feb 10, 2000 - Clipped from Newspapers.comSponsors: Acorn TV - www.Acorn.TV - Try Acorn TV free for 30 days by using my promo code "once" (all lowercase letters) Hooked on Phonics - www.hookedonphonics.com/once to receive your first month for just $1 Best Fiends - Download Best Fiends free on the Apple App Store or Google Play.

In this month’s series “Buried Truth” I share cases where a person goes missing never to be seen again. Just when it seemed their fate would remain a mystery, the truth would be uncovered. This time, a neighborhood menace harbors dark secrets in his own backyard. This is the case of Russell Tillis and The House of Horrors. You can now receive texts from Once Upon a Crime! Text OUAC to 408-676-1770 to opt-in! Links: www.truecrimepodcast.comResources:https://www.thedailybeast.com/womans-body-found-under-booby-trapped-mobile-homehttp://www.cncpunishment.com/forums/showthread.php?11401-Death-Penalty-Trial-Tentatively-Set-for-November-5-2018-for-Russell-David-Tillis-in-May-2015-FL-Murder-of-Joni-Lynn-Gunter&p=101924&viewfull=1https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/features/5-things-you-need-to-know-house-of-horrors-death-penalty-trial-starts-april-5-crime/77-611a8a49-232b-4d4e-b31f-fd367cf2b587https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2021/04/08/russell-tillis-expected-to-testify-in-own-defense-at-murder-trial/ Sponsors: Acorn TV - Get Acorn TV FREE for 30 days by going to Acorn.TV and use my promo code “once” (use all lower case letters). StoryWorth - Give your dad a special gift this Father’s Day - go to StoryWorth.com/once to get $10 off your first purchase.Candid - Start straightening your teeth today and save $75 on Candid’s starter kit by going to CandidCO.com/once.

Once Upon a Crime celebrates 5 years in true crime by summarizing the show by the numbers, sharing 5 Surprising True Crime Facts, and letting listeners in on a giveaway to win OUAC merchandise and prizes. Text OUAC to 408-676-1770 to opt-in to receive texts from Once Upon a Crime and enter our drawing! Text messaging provided by Text Sanity. Thanks so much for listening and supporting Once Upon a Crime over 5 years! OUAC episodes referenced in this bonus episode: Episode #3 - Lost and Found: The Cleveland KidnappingsEpisode #8 - Killer Kids: Brenda SpencerEpisode #39 - Monstrous Moms and Dastardly Dads: John ListEpisode #14 - Fatal Fans: Rebecca SchaefferEpisode #156 - Behind the Crime: Aileen WuornosEpisode #130 - Disorder in the Court: Ellie Nesler Episode #127 - Bad Sports: Soccer Brawl in BrazilEpisode #42 - A Woman Scorned: Betty Broderick Episode #50 - Millionaire Murders: Spoiled Son - Dale EwellEpisode #200 - Chopped: Anjette Donovan LylesEpisode #110 - Listener Suggestions: The Texas Cadet MurderEpisode #45 - A Woman Scorned: Murder by MercedesEpisode #196 - Hookups from Hell: Wade Ridley, "The Match.com Murderer" Episode #189 - Body of Evidence: Stacy Peterson Episode #38 - Monstrous Moms and Dastardly Dads: Diane DownsEpisode #40 - Monstrous Moms and Dastardly Dads: Susan Smith Episodes #71 and 72 - The 12 Crimes of Christmas: Laci PetersonEpisode #46 - Murder in Paradise: The Yosemite Murders Episode #65 - Murder in the Family: The Briley BrothersLinks:www.patreon.com/onceuponacrimewww.crimecon.comwww.crimecon.co.uk - Use discount code ONCEUPON21 for 10% off your registration. Sponsors:Acorn TV - Try Acorn TV FREE for 30 days by going to Acorn.TV and using my promo code once (use all lowercase letters). Munk Pack - Get 20% off your first purchase of any Munk Pack product by visiting MunkPack.com and entering code ONCE at checkout.

This is a double episode to conclude the month-long miniseries where I detail the case of serial killer David Carpenter, known as “The Trailside Killer”. Carpenter stalked and killed men and women on the hiking trails of Marin County, San Francisco and Santa Cruz. Other suspected victims would disappear from San Jose and Daly City, California. Timestamps: 00:08:28 - Point Reyes National Seashore00:15:32 - Investigation00:24:00 - Ad Break 00:26:48 - Kelly, Daly City00:30:11 - David Carpenter00:36:38 - Henry Cowell State Park, Santa Cruz00:56:00 - Manhunt1:13:00 - Ad Break1:17:00 - Suspect1:24:00 - Surveillance 1:34:00 - Arrest1:38:00 - More Victims Discovered1:42:00 - Murder Weapon/Charges1:45:00 - Trial #1 - Santa Cruz1:51:00 - Trial #2 - Marin County1:57:00 - Verdict 1:59:00 - Case UpdatesResources:The Sleeping Lady: The Trailside Murders Above the Golden Gate by Robert Graysmith, Penguin Books, (1990)People v. Carpenter, Supreme Court of California, Nov 29, 1999. “The Frightening Case of the Trailside Killer”, Strange Outdoors, November 27, 2020. “DNA ties Trailside Killer to ‘79 SF Slaying”, Jaxon Van Derbeken, San Francisco Chronicle, Feb 24, 2010. Sponsors:Acorn TV - www.Acorn.TV and use promo code “once” (all lowercase letters) for your first 30-days freeBest Fiends - Download Best Fiends FREE on the Apple App Store or Google Play. Use my Best Fiends Friend Code to challenge me to play! Code 1798646. Munk Pack - www.munkpack.com - Enter my discount code ONCE at checkout to save 20% off your purchase. Warby Parker - Take advantage of the Home Try-On Program and order 5 pairs of eyeglasses to try at home FREE for 5 days by going to www.warbyparker.com/once.

In Part 2 of this 3-part mini-series, I’ll continue the story about a random series of attacks that took place on hiking trails in northern California beginning in 1979, soon after David Carpenter was released from prison for an earlier violent crime spree. After three women were found murdered on Mount Tamalpais, investigators began to suspect that a serial killer was on the loose and targeting local hikers. This is the case of “The Trailside Killer”. Resources:The Sleeping Lady: The Trailside Murders Above the Golden Gate by Robert Graysmith, Penguin Books, (1990)People v. Carpenter, Supreme Court of California, Nov 29, 1999. “The Frightening Case of the Trailside Killer”, Strange Outdoors, November 27, 2020. Links:Website: www.truecrimepodcast.comPatreon: www.patreon.com/onceuponacrimeCrime Con UK: www.crimecon.co.uk - Use my promo code ONCEUPON21 for 10% off your registration Sponsors: Acorn TV - Try Acorn TV free for 30 days by going to www.acorn.tv and using my promo code “once” (use all lower case letters for discount code). Hooked on Phonics - To get your first month of Hooked On Phonics for just $1 go to www.hookedonphonics.com/once.

This month I’ll be sharing a 3-part miniseries. In the late 1970s and early 1980s, Northern California was terrorized by a series of random murders that took place on hiking trails in state parks, national forests and coastal lands. The public began to suspect that a serial killer was lurking among them and the media began referring to him as “The Trailside Killer”.In this first part, I’ll detail some of the Trailside Killers earliest victims and describe how he was allowed to slip through the cracks in the criminal justice system and set loose to stalk and kill more than ten people. Resources:The Sleeping Lady: The Trailside Murders Above the Golden Gate by Robert Graysmith, Penguin Books, (1990)People v. Carpenter, Supreme Court of California, Nov 29, 1999. Sponsors: Acorn TV - Try Acorn TV free for 30 days by going to www.acorn.tv and using my promo code “once” (use all lower case letters for discount code). Candid - Love your smile again! Go to www.candidCO.com/once and use promo code ONCE to get $75 dollars off your starter kit for a limited time.

In 2002, two paintings were stolen from The Van Gogh Museum worth $30 million dollars. The investigation into this crime would involve law enforcement in several countries. Special investigators in both art crimes and organized crime units would also be brought in to solve the case of the missing Van Goghs. Resources: Documentary: Stealing Van Gogh (2018), Julian Hendy, Director.“How 20 Stolen Van Gogh Paintings were Recovered” by Erik Shilling for Atlas Obscura, Sept. 30, 2016. https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/how-20-stolen-van-gogh-paintings-were-recovered-35-minutes-after-a-heist“As Stolen Van Goghs Return to View, a Thief Tells All” by Nina Siegal for The New York Times, Mar 19, 2017. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/19/arts/design/van-gogh-museum-theft-octave-dunham.html“Italian police bust drug trafficking Camorra Clan”. Posted on Gangsters, Inc., Mar 21, 2017. https://gangstersinc.ning.com/profiles/blogs/italian-police-bust-drug-trafficking-camorra-clan-and-retrieve-st“How Two Stolen Van Gogh Paintings Made it Home After a 14-Year Saga” by Isaac Kaplan for Artsy.Net, Mar 21, 2017. https://www.artsy.net/article/artsy-editorial-two-stolen-van-gogh-paintings-made-14-year-sagaSponsors:Acorn TV - www.Acorn.TV - Use my promo code ONCE to get your first 30 days free.StoryWorth - www.StoryWorth.com/once to get $10 off your first purchase. Links:CrimeCon UK - www.CrimeCon.co.uk - Use my promo code ONCEUPON21 to get 10% of your registration.

This bonus episode is brought to you by Once Upon a Crime in partnership with CrimeCon UK. I have a CrimeConVersation with Sinead from Mens Rea Podcast about true crime, being a true crime podcaster, women and true crime and more. You can listen to Mens Rea Podcast or connect with Sinead at www.mensreapod.com. To join me at CrimeCon UK go to www.crimecon.co.uk. When you register use my offer code ONCEUPON21 to get 10% off your ticket! To listen to more CrimeConVersations you can go to CrimeCon’s website at www.crimecon.co.uk or follow CrimeCon UK on Instagram @CrimeCon_UK.

Famed architect Frank Lloyd Wright begins an affair with Martha “Mamah” Borthwick. When the scandal threatens his career and reputation, he builds a home near Spring Green, Wisconsin. Called “Taliesin”, it was supposed to be a place of peace and refuge for the couple, but in 1914, it became the site of a horrifying massacre. Resources: “Soulmate Stunt Loses its Zest”, Kokomo Daily Tribune, August 3, 1910.Frank Lloyd Wright by Jan Adkins, published by Penguin Random House, 2008 “Cook massacres seven at Wisconsin home Frank Lloyd Wright built for his mistress”, by Mara Bovsun for The New York Daily News, Jan 25, 2014. Sponsors: Acorn TV - www.Acorn.tv - Use my promo code ONCE for your first 30 days free. Best Fiends - Download Best Fiends free at the Apple App Store or Google PlayLinks:Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1730325570622505Patreon: www.patreon.com/onceuponacrime

To celebrate reaching 200 episodes we created a bonus episode to answer listener questions. Thanks everyone for submitting them!Links: www.Patreon.com/onceuponacrimeTo listen to our "haunted" episode go to Episode #108 - Haunted Homicides: The LaLaurie Mansion. Some hear a "ghost" at minute 20 or so. The Scott Peterson episodes with my sister, Yolanda is #71 and #72 - The 12 Crimes of Christmas - Laci Peterson, Part 1 and 2. Special thanks to Lorena Garcia for co-hosting this episode with me and to all the listeners who sent in questions!