The world has never been more connected. Yet never more divided. We yell at each other from inside our echo chambers. But change doesn’t happen inside an echo chamber. It’s time to get out, to stretch our legs, to step on some land mines. It's time to have an uncomfortable conversation with Josh Szeps.
Michael Ian Black is one of America's most popular stand-up comics. His new book is "A Better Man: A (Mostly Serious) Letter to My Son." He and Josh discuss progressivism, toxic masculinity, and riding moose. Plus, a Szeps election rant.
Osher is Australia's biggest TV star and the host of Australian Idol, The Bachelor, The Bachelorette and The Masked Singer. He opens up to Josh about the pitfalls of mental illness, rockstar lifestyles, alcohol addiction, fame... and 9/11.
Would we all be better off if we knew less about the world? If we took less, not more, responsibility for fixing distant problems? If we focused a bit more on our own practical concerns? It's an uncomfortable idea, but one that the Guardian columnist Oliver Burkeman called for in his seminal article "How the news took over reality". Oliver's book is "The Antidote: Happiness for People Who Can't Stand Positive Thinking". He joins Josh, mid-pandemic, from New York.
Josh doesn't think he's racist. But maybe that's the surest proof that he is. Should he be cancelled? Should statues be torn down? Are race protests a victory for anti-racism, or a descent into mob rule? Stan Grant is arguably the world's most influential Indigenous Australian. The son of a Wiradjuri elder, he's an insightful analyst and intrepid former CNN reporter.