All links and images for this episode can be found on CISO Series You think it's easy carrying around the burden of being so perfect all the time? It's tough to carry that responsibility to tell others what they need to do. This week’s episode is hosted by me, David Spark (@dspark), producer of CISO Series and Andy Ellis (@csoandy), operating partner, YL Ventures. Our guest is Ed Contreras (@cisoedwardc), CISO, Frost Bank. Thanks to our podcast sponsor, Varonis Varonis will help you get meaningful data security results faster than you thought possible. Protect sensitive data, detect sophisticated threats and streamline privacy and compliance. Visit varonis.com/risk for a demo of Varonis’ leading data security platform. Does a quality tech stack help with recruitment and retention of talent? Should security features be free? And should those who charge be shamed? Failing phishing tests - is there a limit to how many?