In this episode, we chat with John Adler - co-founder of Lazy Ledger (now Celestia) and Fuel Labs. We compare Optimistic Rollups and ZK Rollups as well as discuss how Ethereum, specifically Eth1, could look over the next few years. We also talk about the data availability challenge in blockchains and how Lazy Ledger aims to solve this. Relevant links can be found here: James Prestwich's thread on Scalability vs Throughput myths The LazyLedger academic paper Security analysis of ORU from Fuel What would a rollup-centric ethereum roadmap look like? Video: "Scaling Ethereum in 2020 and Beyond" - Vitalik Buterin Some additional thoughts from John on Eth1 Thanks to our sponsor Least Authority. Least Authority is a security consulting company known for their dedication to pushing the limits on how to build privacy-respecting solutions. They are a team of security researchers, open source developers, privacy advocates, cryptographers who specialize in security audits, design specification reviews, and security-by-design. Known for their security reviews, including work with zero knowledge proofs as well as having implemented zero-knowledge access passes with the distributed storage system, Tahoe-LAFS. If you are skilled in the area of zero-knowledge protocols and other advanced cryptography for scalability and privacy enhancing tech, you should get in contact with them. They’re expanding their team, so email them at jobs@leastauthority.com Thanks again Least Authority If you like what we do: Follow us on Twitter - @zeroknowledgefm -https://twitter.com/zeroknowledgefm Join us on Telegram -https://t.me/joinchat/B_81tQ57-ThZg8yOSx5gjA Catch us on Youtube -https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYWsYz5cKw4wZ9Mpe4kuM_g Read up on the r/ZKPodcast subreddit -https://www.reddit.com/r/zkpodcast Give us feedback! -https://forms.gle/iKMSrVtcAn6BByH6A Support our Gitcoin Grant -https://gitcoin.co/grants/329/zero-knowledge-podcast-2 Support us on the ZKPatreon -https://www.patreon.com/zeroknowledge Or directly here: ETH: 0xC0FFEE1B5083230a5154F55f253B6b6ae8F29B1a BTC: 1cafekGa3podM4fBxPSQc6RCEXQNTK8Zz ZEC: t1R2bujRF3Hzte9ALHpMJvY8t5kb9ut9SpQ